by Suzey | Dec 23, 2012 | Uncategorised
Messages from the front reveal a yearning for home and family – Local – Bourne Local
This is an interesting local article by Rex Needle I found whilst browsing the Bourne Local website searching for an article about the Rippingale war memorial. Not what I was looking for but then again I am used to going off at a tangent when doing research.
The letters home article interested me as the first letter was written by Samuel Tipler of Bourne. The name Tipler is one that attached to my extended family tree many years ago through another family name. At the time we did not look too closely at them but I remembered that we added a couple of generations. Samuel unfortunately did not appear in my extended tree but some very quick research shows that he was born in Windsor and that his father, also Samuel was born in Bourne. It would appear that the family moved back to Bourne when Samuel junior was aged 5. The 1911 census shows Samuel working on a farm in Tongue End only a few years before entering service during the Great War.
The second letter was written by Percy Lunn, not a name that I have had to look into before but one that I remember being a local surname from my youth.
My interest in the Rippingale article was aroused because after researching the men named and thinking he had finished his work, the author was then alerted to the fact that there are other men with links to Rippingale that do not appear on the memorial.
One such name was John Thomas Taylor, a person we had only researched a few weeks ago. This John Taylor was born in Rippingale and then moved via Morton to Edenham before getting killed in the Great War. We have previously researched John Thomas Taylor in an effort to disprove that he could have been the John Taylor was who is listed on the Morton War Memorial.
Now all that remains is to find out where John Thomas taylor is remembered if it is neither Morton or Rippingale. Perhaps a trip to Edenham Church will reveal the answer.
I still need to find the article from the Bourne Local about the Rippingale memorial if it was online but at least I now have a paper copy to study.
Jamie
by Suzey | Dec 3, 2012 | Uncategorised
Two more Morton soldiers identified and written up.
John and Joseph taylor have taken some investigation in order to prove who they were.
The issues have been that Joseph Taylor, the eldest son of Joseph Parker Taylor was possibly registered 2 years after he was born thus only registered at the time of the marriage of his parents.
Joseph’s mother had died before the 1911 census and on the census return all of the siblings of Joseph Jnr have incorrect ages listed. In order to prove the age of Joseph it was necessary to find him on the 1911 census. When this was found his age was listed correctly as 18.
John Taylor was likewise an issue to prove. Again the age was mis represented on census returns by his father. This meant that there were two possible John Taylor’s that were born at similar times both registered in the Bourne district.
The only way to prove that the John Taylor that was listed on the Morton memorial was John Taylor brother of Joseph was to find what happened to the other John Taylor.
The second John Taylor was found to have been born at Rippingale and eventually found his way to Edenham via Morton. In reality this John was John Thomas Taylor but this alone was not enough proof of the true identity.
Searching the Ancestry.co.uk databases we could not find out what happened to John Thomas Taylor. There appeared to be no marriage or death records for this John Taylor and so it was not possible to separate him from the other John Taylor.
Eventually we managed to find what happened to John Thomas Taylor and found him on the CWGC database as killed in WW1. Luckily the database entry lists his family as living in Scottlethorpe (Edenham). This ties him to the Rippingale family and therefore eliminates him as being the John Taylor on the Morton War Memorial.
That leaves us with John Taylor the brother of Joseph Taylor as, we believe, the correct John Taylor on the Morton war Memorial.
The unfortunate side to this investigation is that we now believe that Joseph Parker Taylor, after loosing his wife and having to bring up his family alone, was then faced with losing two sons in the war.
Joseph Taylor John Taylor
by Suzey | Dec 1, 2012 | Uncategorised
Today has been another interesting diversion from what we set out to research.
We had some time ago posted the military history of Arthur Bates onto our website
www.jamieandsue.co.uk but had never been able to work out who he was to write his family history. Today has been an interesting search where we found Arthur Bates on the 1911 census for the first time. Armed with his age and a rough date of birth we managed to find his family on previous census returns but without his father present after 1881. The reason for this was that his mother was listed as a widow from 1891 onwards.
Using the wonderful British Newspaper Archive now available through
Find my Past we found a listing for the death of an Edward Bates of Morton in November 1886. This was the final piece of the jigsaw allowing us to piece together the family history of Arthur.
Collating all of the information was another matter. The method of collating information from various records over a 50 year span is an interesting prospect and the easiest for us is to create a family tree. Using Family Tree Maker and the Ancestry website tends to work for us but we don’t really like to create online trees just for this purpose. As luck would have it, one of Arthur’s cousins was married to a Needham from Morton and this family has already been added to the “Jamie Lawrance Ancestry” tree already online through
wwwAncestry.co.uk
In order to start adding Arthur’s ancestors to the tree meant revisiting some research we added to my tree years ago when we were asked to research the Scotney family for a friend. Making the link between the Needham family we had and the Bates family Needham link was fairly simple and once this was added to the on-line tree the rest of the Bates family could be added to create a complete immediate family tree for Arthur Bates. This now puts my extended on-line family up to 4564 people.
We are aware that descendants of this Bates family are still living in Morton and this made researching the descendants of Edward Bates even more important to us as any extra Morton research is always of interest.
What we have established today is that the Arthur Bates we visited in the cemetery at Frameries last year, was actually a career soldier working his way up to the rank of Lance-Sergeant, before becoming part of a rear guard action that certainly saved the lives of many soldiers caught in one of the earliest actions of the Great War.
Jamie 1.12.12
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